Deception #80 – An “INC member” claims that he is neither a blind follower nor stupid by proving that he knows that INC leaders are violating the human rights of the expelled members staying at #36 Tandang Sora.
Answer:
If this person claiming to be an INC member is really neither stupid nor blind, then he/she shouldn’t easily believe in whatever the expelled are posting and claiming over the internet and the social media.
If you are not stupid, then you should have known that the residents of #36 have continually refused the Commission of Human Rights representatives from entering their premises to look after their true condition or whatever they are doing inside.
Their sympathizers are deceived to believe that there were human rights violations committed yet they repeatedly deny since July 2015, June 2, and 10, 2016 the CHR authorities’ entry to the compound when they are not prohibited by the INC Security. Click on the link for the News Report: CHR, denied entrance by 36 Tandang Sora occupants for the 6th time
If you are not blind, you should see that your feelings are just being played on by some people we used to love before.
Kung tunay na hindi bulag at hindi tanga, huwag nagpapapaniwala sa mga sabi-sabi sa internet.
As Dr. Rizal said: “Ang maniwala sa sabisabi’y walang bait na sarili.” (He who believes in rumors does not have a mind of his own.)
Deception #79 – Another gullible says that he cannot bear the posts he reads and sees about what’s happening inside #36.
Answer:
If you are weak in faith and easily believe in whatever you read that is posted on the internet, you better stop reading any posts of the expelled, and persons claiming to be INC members but actually belong to other religions.
If your membership in the Church is founded on personalities, you will be easily deceived. Examine your faith if you are deeply rooted in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Beware of reading post/s of “INC Pretenders” or “Fake INCs” roaming around the internet like a roaring lion looking for victims to devour.
Deception #78 – The feeble-minded are asking how they can help the expelled inside #36. They suggest praying first for love, peace, and reconciliation in the Church, etc.
Answer:
If you really want to help the expelled, pray to God that their minds be enlightened of the shameful acts which they are doing. Advise them to reconsider what they did, ask God for forgiveness, and get back to the fold by submitting themselves completely to the authority of the Church Administration.
Tell them to instruct their sympathizers to stop spreading lies on the internet. Be aware also of “posers” and fake INCs.
Huwag makialam sa isyung hindi alam at hindi dapat pakialaman.
Deception #77- The expelled expose a plan to burn down the residences of the expelled in #36. The so-called report claims that the plan is to sneak in explosives and make it appear that the expelled inside are on a shooting spree. Fire Department will respond but its head allegedly is also involved in the plot.
Answer:
This expelled one is good at making stories. The plot is so well planned as if he is involved in the planning.
Maybe what he is saying is true if that is the scenario the expelled inside #36 are building up.
Deception #76 – An expelled posted a message that their fellow expelled inside #36 are so blessed for they are being put to a trial of faith. And God will never give them a test that they could not bear.
Answer:
How are they considered so blessed when they are expelled from the Church? The Bible clearly teaches that those “who endure to the end will be saved” (Matthew 24:13).
Trials are for the godly/righteous and they are also the ones whom God will rescue, while the unrighteous are kept under punishment: “So you see, the Lord knows how to rescue godly people from their trials, even while keeping the wicked under punishment until the day of final judgment.” (II Peter 2:9)
Do you consider godly or righteous those who sow disunity in the Church by telling lies using Youtube and Social Media against the Church and its administration? There is no righteousness in what the expelled are doing.
The attitude of the expelled in #36 is also far different from the characteristics of the first-century Christians in Macedonia when they experienced extremely difficult trials. They were incredibly happy in giving offerings despite being poor (II Corinthians 8:1-3). The expelled on the other hand are so offended in the giving of the offering of the brethren for the massive construction of village chapels in the remote and dangerous areas of the country.
Deception #75 – A minister’s wife is said to have answered that she will not enroll her son in the ministry.
Answer:
Aside from the fact that this is not connected to the issue, joining the ministry is not mandatory and it is also not proper to compel one’s son to enter the ministry even if his father is a minister in the Church.
It is also not surprising that some parents do not want their son to enter the ministry even if the father is a minister. Even during the time of the Sugo and Ka Erdy, not all sons of ministers followed their fathers’ path.
It is a decision to be made by the son at the proper age and above all to be a minister is God’s call.
Deception #74 – The expelled are asking why when there are citizens or families being held hostage, the law enforcers quickly take action. While the expelled in #36 do not enjoy the same privilege from the government.
Answer:
The expelled who posted the message is playing ignorant about the series of events on July 22-23, 2015 when Police authorities, NBI, and CHR representatives immediately responded to the situation at #36. GMA 7 made a narrative report of government authorities’ response regarding the Youtube video claims of the expelled and the flash message “Tulong! Hostage Kami!”.
It was Ex-Min. Angel Manalo himself and on video dismissed the “hostage kami” issue.
Click the link for the GMA7 video: SONA: Angel Manalo, humarap na sa media
Deception #73 – The expelled are asking to help the EGM family in any capacity.
Answer:
Stay away from the issue. This is an internal/family matter. Do not be involved. Don’t be fooled to be dragged into a controversy that you are not a part of and has nothing to help.
If there is one thing that people interested in this issue can do is to pray that the expelled personalities inside #36 will mend themselves, rethink what they did wrong to the Church, repent, and resubmit to the authority of the Church Administration.
Deception #72 – A head deacon is said to have been expelled on the ground of refusing the “thumbmark” pin.
Answer:
This is mere hearsay. Wearing the so-called “thumbmark” pin is not compulsory and has never been a ground for expulsion for anyone.
Deception #71 – An expelled minister claims that a member was expelled on the ground that he attended the April 30 meeting of the expelled when he claims he was on a business trip that day.
Answer:
In reaction to the claim of an expelled minister, Brother Art Bairan answered that the former member was expelled for not submitting to the authority of the Church Administration and associating with people who wanted to ruin the Church.
What the expelled minister was telling is mere gossip. For the expelled member was never told that he was expelled for attending the April 30 meeting of the ‘disconnected’.
Deception #70 – Kung hindi raw titigilan ang nasa #36 TS ay isusumbong daw ang mga ministro at INC sa Singapore. Illegal daw ang INC sa Singapore.
No problem. Just make sure that Singapore will entertain your hearsay.
Answer:
What will he/she report when the Iglesia Ni Cristo is neither a secret nor an illegal organization in Singapore? We have nothing to hide.
Though the Iglesia Ni Cristo is not registered in Singapore, it doesn’t mean that the INC is an illegal organization in Singapore. Even though we are not allowed to purchase properties or there are certain limitations to religious institutions yet we are allowed by the Singaporean government to rent venues where we can freely conduct our religious worship and other Church-related activities.
For this, we are sincerely thankful to the Government of Singapore for tolerating and allowing religious freedom and worship of Christian religions in their country. We as members are also taught by the Church Administration to obey the laws of their country.
The Singaporean Government cannot be deceived to act on reports made by anonymous personalities and complaints based on flimsy grounds.
Go on, report. But you have to reveal your real identity. What are you going to report? About the expelled in #36? Is it for their country’s interest?
Deception #69 – Kung hindi daw hihinto sa pang-aapi at panggigipit sa mga tiwalag na nasa #36 ay mawawala daw ang lahat ng dako, lokal at distrito sa Middle East.
The brethren can manage.
Answer:
Tanong doon sa nagpost: Paano inaapi? Naryan ka sa Middle East, kami ang naririto. Payapa naman sila sa #36. Yun lang sila ay namamalagi na nakatira sa lupang pag-aari ng Iglesia KAHIT SILA’Y TIWALAG, pang-aapi ba iyon? Anong alam mo? Nakikisawsaw ka lang. Huwag puro Facebook at Internet. Marami nang naloko diyan. Huwag ding isang side lang. Magtanong ka din sa iba. Mas naniniwala ka ba sa mga impormasyon galing sa mga tiwalag? Ano ba puhunan nila at naipaglingkod sa Iglesia?
Sina Ka Beth Manalo-Albert at Ka Eileen Alcantara ay nariyan lang sa tabi ng mga taga #36. Mga anak din sila ni Ka Erdy. Kalaban mo rin ba sila? Nasa panig sila ng Pamamahala.
Ikaw na nagpost: kamag-anak ka ba?
Bakit apat na watawat yang idinisplay mo? Saan ka ba talaga diyan? Kulang yata.
Most ng mga Islamic countries ay tolerant na sa mga Cristiano. Sa Saudi Arabia at maging sa Brunei ay sanay na ang mga kapatid na naisusumbong sa mga religious authorities pero nagagawan pa rin nila ng paraan na makapagsagawa ng pagsamba. Apat na dekada na ang INC sa Saudi Arabia.
Ikaw na nagpost, hindi mo ba magagawan ng paraan na alamin kung totoo yung sinasabi mong “pang-aapi/panggigipit” sa mga tiwalag na Manalo sa #36. Pa-wifi-wifi lang sila doon. Ikaw nagtitiis ka diyan sa Saudi o Middle East para maghanapbuhay. Yung mga tiwalag sa #36 pwedeng maghanapbuhay pero ayaw magtrabaho.
Deception #68 – Makapal daw ang mukha ng destinado sa HK West na nagpapasama sa suguan sa maytungkulin. Yung maytungkulin ang magbabayad sa taxi. Tapos kukunin daw yung resibo para ma-reinburst sa handog.
Answer:
Hindi ko kilala yung ministrong tinutukoy kaya di ko masasabi kung literal nga bang makapal ang mukha o hindi.
Ang tanong lang sa nagpost na ito na matitisurin: Kasama ka ba sa loob ng taxi? Ikaw ba yung nagbayad sa taxi? O ikaw ba yung taxi driver?
FYI, may sapat na tulong na tinatanggap ang mga ministro para gugulin sa pagbiyahe sa pagtupad ng tungkulin. Hindi na kailangan ng reimbursement.
Kung totoo ang sinasabi ng nagpost na ito ay dapat iparating sa Tagapangasiwa o sa Pamamahala. Kung hindi, ay tsismis lang ang ipinost niyang ito sa HK West.
Deception #67 – Mabuti pa raw si Duterte hindi nawawala ang pagmamahal sa ina. Si Ka EVM daw naturingang nagtuturo ng aral ng Diyos ay di daw kakitaan ng pagmamahal sa ina at mga kapatid.
Answer:
Ito ang mentalidad na gustong isaksak ni Lottie sa mga napaniwala niya. Kung mayroong unang-una na nasasaktan sa isyung pagkatiwalag ni Ka Tenny ay walang iba kundi si Ka Eduardo Manalo sapagkat iyon ay kaniyang sariling ina.
Subalit gaya nga ng sinabi ng nag-post: si Ka Eduardo ay nagtuturo ng aral ng Diyos. Walang pagtatalo na aral ng Diyos na ibigin ang ina. Subalit aral din ng Diyos na ang umiibig sa ama o ina o kapatid ng higit sa pagibig kay Cristo ay hindi karapat-dapat sa Kaniya. (Mateo 10:37)
Pag-ibig ba kay Cristo na iskandaluhin ang Iglesia? Sulsulan ang mga kapatid na huwag pasakop sa Pamamahala. Ang pagpapasakop sa Pamamahala ay aral ng Diyos (Hebreo 13:17).
Isa pa, hindi pinalayas ni Ka Panoncillo sina Lottie at Angel. Panoorin ang video: Click here.
Deception #66 – “Clogged sewerage”, an alleged atrocity funded by the offerings of INC members.
This is disgusting…
Answer:
Pati ba naman pozo negro na umapaw isinisisi pa sa Pamamahala? OMG! What is happening to the minds of some people inside #36. What a shame that they even supplied the photos to be displayed on social media by their sympathizers. Aren’t these their own wastes? Yuks! Kadiri!!!
Why would the Church Administration use the voluntary offerings for such shame? What is worst than this is to waste the voluntary offerings to fix the cesspit of the “expelled”?
Why not quit using the internet for a while and fix their own “pozo negro” since those are their own? Why blame the Church Administration for such a matter?
The Church Administration has nothing to do with that. It’s not the Church’s responsibility. The expelled are on their own.
Deception #65 – A fake member is claiming that the present Church Administration does not adhere to the biblical teaching of loving the brotherhood because Ka EVM did not talk to Lottie and Angel when the latter went to Central.
Dapat “Buksan ang isip”.
Answer:
Well, the lesson last Thursday – May 19 – was about loving the brotherhood (and not about loving the expelled who wanted to divide the Church). It teaches how we must uphold the brotherhood in the Church not by simply calling one another brother/sister but also proving it by not withholding help from those in need.
The same lesson also clearly stated that just as it is a sin to withhold help from brethren in need, it is also a sin to tolerate the laziness of those who have the capacity to work but refuse to do so. So how do you classify the expelled who are staying inside #36 and who keep on spreading lies against our Executive Minister?
When Lottie and Angel went to the Central Office last year, what was their response to the instruction relayed to them by Ka Rene Panoncillo? Did they even bother to give a hint that they are willing to submit to the Church Administration? Watch the video: Click here.
Loving the brotherhood is just one of the teachings we uphold. We are also taught to submit to the Church Administration.
Deception #64 – Lipulin daw ang mga yumurak sa bahay ni Ka Erdy.
Answer:
At the height of the activities of INC members worldwide in preparation for the big event “Reconnect”, we have observed the revival of “Argumentum ad misericordiam” or sympathy appeal of the expelled members.
The post above was made by someone whose mind is fed by somebody from #36.
The present Church Administration is just protecting the residence of Ka Erdy from unauthorized use by any of the expelled. The expelled are on the other side of the fence. And they still have a spacious place to breathe even though they are no longer part of the Church.
Deception #63 – The expelled are calling the attention of the President-elect Rodrigo Duterte to intervene on the alleged “oppression” of the expelled Manalo families in #36…
Answer:
How come the expelled Manalos are being persecuted? The fact is that they remain in the compound owned by the Church even though they are not anymore entitled to stay there because they were already expelled for sowing dissensions against the Church Administration by using previously expelled members on social media.
Why would the Church finance their electricity and water when they do not serve the Church anymore? Instead are spreading hearsays against the Church Administration?
Anyway, President-elect Duterte is already aware of this issue. And for certain the wise Mayor will not entertain gossip posted by those who hold grudges against the Church and its administration.
Deception #62 – Now that Leila De Lima has just been proclaimed Senator-elect, it is now time for a Senate inquiry on the “abuse of authority, land grabbing, persecution and human rights violations” committed by INC leaders.
Answer:
Though I did not vote for her, personally I admire Senator-elect Leila De Lima. Since the current issues against the Church started last year, she really has learned a lot about the internal affairs of the Iglesia Ni Cristo. She is intelligent enough to weigh in on issues against the Church by adversaries on social media.
Any Senate inquiry on these accusations is pointless since the issues raised on the YouTube video have already been clarified the following day after the sensational video was uploaded.
Police authorities confirmed that residents of #36 T. Sora are safe and not held against their will. They are free to come out whenever they want or if they want to leave. They are also free to return to their homes.
Officials from the Commission on Human Rights came, but the expelled Manalo families refused to talk to them.
So, what was concluded by the Police and Human Rights officials? This is purely an internal (family) matter.
Claims of abductions and kidnappings were dismissed by government authorities. Read here.
The motive behind the Tenny & Angel YouTube Video was to sow rebellion against the current Church Administration and scandalize the Church.
Any wise Senator will not delve into the issue. This post of the expelled is seriously unthinkable. Perhaps the honorable Senator-elect will simply frown at it.
Deception #61 – “Recollect”. Paandar lamang daw ang ginawa ngayong Mayo 22, 2016 sa gawaing pinangunahan ni Ka EVM. Pambayad daw sa bilyong utang.
Answer:
First of all, the word “Reconnect” that was adopted as the theme of today’s event was taken from Isaiah 49:8 –
“God also says: ‘When the time’s ripe, I answer you. When victory’s due, I help you. I form you and use you to RECONNECT THE PEOPLE WITH ME, to put the land in order, to resettle families on the ruined properties…'” (The Message)
What has just happened today is a wide-reaching sharing of our faith which is one of the prime duties of each INC member.
There was no collection of offerings. No “recollect” as the expelled alleged.
Responses to Current Issues vs. the Iglesia Ni Cristo 
Tanong lang po kilala n nman po ntin si sher lock n walang iba kundi su Rovic Canono. Bkit s kbila ng mga malisyosong paninira nya s INC ay hindi nsamphan ito ng libel case s halip ay wala po tayong ginawa kundi sagutin ng sagutin ang mga walang katapusang baseless at nonsense n mga lsratang nya at ng mga supporters nya
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Do you really think we are stupid enough to believe someone is going to intentionally pump feces into their own houses and risk disease or death? Furthermore, why would they want to clean up a mess like that?
Why are the construction workers still building the walls when there was a court order to take them down and remove the guard house?
If they are free to go, why is the guard house still there and why are they armed?
God knows who tells the truth.
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One more thing: Does God approve of Cutting Classes posting pictures of pornographic birthday cakes to Lowell Menorca and a “penis enlarger” or drawing a red phallic symbol next to a so-called “Rovic Canono”, a certain “Merle Schexnayder” calling Tenny Manalo a bitch and Dino Bunag allowing it, or a “holy church member” using the Filipino F Word at Forever INC?
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Or did the guards refuse CHR? God knows who tells the truth.
The truth will come out and be prepared to accept God’s consequences.
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Incidentally, the lesson was about having a pure heart yesterday. Last time I checked, character assassination and harassment of the so-called “fallen angels” is anything but pure. The requirements for being part of the first resurrection are pretty stringent (read Rev 7 and Rev 20). You may find yourself wondering why you are standing in front of the throne 1000 years later.
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“Incidentally, the lesson was about having a pure heart yesterday.”
Again, a handful are irrelevant to an organization of millions.
Or do you want me to judge whatever your religion is based on the worst of your worst as well?
As for character assassination, a number of the issues raised in Facebook and other places are true and so aren’t assassination at all, some are even facing legal charges for things like rape.
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Any home has the right to refuse entry unless there’s a warrant from the authorities.
And if anything, the Church has invited the authorities to come in countless times.
Just don’t expect the Church to accept fake UN representatives and puppets of Aquino that breach protocol or outright ignore laws.
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And this small talk has any connection to the situation how?
Why are you switching goalposts in order to avoid attention to the people who are squatting and accusing a group of humanitarian volunteers as hitmen?
2 of these 3 things can land you in court, and it’s not the small talk.
And are you saying we should judge a group of millions based on just a few people?
By that ridiculous metric, nothing passes, even the First Century Church of Christ would fail, let alone this so called Restore the Church Group.
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Katunayan na tama and disisyon na matiwalag sila
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“Do you really think we are stupid enough to believe someone is going to intentionally pump feces into their own houses and risk disease or death? Furthermore, why would they want to clean up a mess like that?”
People have done worse for less.
“Why are the construction workers still building the walls when there was a court order to take them down and remove the guard house?”
The lot is church property. Hemedez is literally squatting. They have zero rights to be there in the first place, pumping the house full of sewage is just making the place worse off for whoever lives there after they get kicked out.
“If they are free to go, why is the guard house still there and why are they armed?”
Because it’s a residential compound and the place they are squatting in is only -one- of many other residences there. Who knows what kind of things they might smuggle in there and then throw into the adjacent houses.
Despite what they and ABS-CBN, Inquirer and Rappler wants to portray, it has already been seen by the world that their struggle is just a farce. CCTV cameras showed that it was Menorca and Ces Drilon that attacked the guards; Hemedez staged a ladder climbing to scale the compound’s wall while being filmed by ABS-CBN.
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Andon pa kasi ang batang isip, sya yung nagkalat ng dumi sa loob, remember sabi nila hostage sila at napatunayan na nagsisinungaling
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ang pinakapunto s mga ito ay… kahayagan ng mga KAMBING s KAWAN… diba nila napagtanto na wala ginagawa masama ang PAMAMAHALA kundi patibayin ang IGLESIA… sa mga tiwalag “wag kausapin ni bigyan ng pagpapalakas” wala na po tayo magagawa dyn yan ang kalooban ng AMA ang linisin ang IGLESIA… NADIMLAN at tuluyan na sila’y inihatid sa kapahamakan… sa mga kapatid na mababaw ang pagkaunawa… bumalikwas kau sa mali nyo damdamin, mahina ang inyong pananampalataya sapagkat hindi kayo nakikipagkaisa sa mga gawain sa loob ng IGLESIA, mga TAMAD sa paglilingkod.
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Nonesense at baseless ang mga accusations nyo laban sa INC
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Wala na silang pag asa
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Evict them now to see who will adopt them for free food, shelter and every thing to stop their arrogant manners they do not even know how to work to get a decent meal, let them work if some one would employ them even they have no experience
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Kailan man hindi sila ginipit ng Pamamahala, ipinatutupad lang Pamamahala ang tuntunin sa Iglesia at sinusunod ang tamang paraan ng pagpapaalis sa mga taong inaangkin sa lupang pag-aari ng Iglesia.. Alin ang nilabag ng Pamamahala ukol sa human rights? Hindi ba sila (fallen angel) ang lumalaban sa batas, Hindi lang batas ng Tao kundi maging ang batas ng Panginoong Diyos, ano ang mga nilalabag nila? inaangkin nila ang lupang Hindi naman kanila, gumagawa ng mga kasinungalingang kwento at paratang, gumagawa ng pagkakabahabahagi sa Iglesia at lumalaban sa Pamamahala na inihalal ng Panginoong Diyos, saksi ang Ka Erdy at mga ministro.
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Ang ukol Kay Sher lock ay may tamang pagkakataon para gawin ang kanilang hakbang para sa mga gumagawa Niyang paninira sa Iglesia… Itong rovic na to nakikisakay lang sa mga kasalukuyang issue. Natiwalag si rovic kung Hindi ako nagkakamali sa panahon pa ng Ka Erdy, at laging bukambibig na kawawa ang pamilya ng Ka Erdy na para bang ang Ka Eduardo ay Hindi anak ng Ka Erdy. Sila ang may gusto na mamalagi sa compound na Hindi naman kanila at inaangkin lang nila, Hindi sila pinahihirapan, sila ang gustong maghirap(Gng. Lottie at G. Angel) at nagpapaawa dahil sa totoo ang Gng. Tenny at G. Mark ay nasa america na kaya din naman nilang gawin.
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